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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was delete. -- AllyUnion (talk) 10:52, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Chinese ethnocentrism

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The page contains a short piece of text that is merely a (poorly-written) definition of Ethnocentrism, with “Chinese” inserted. No reason is offered for thinking that there's anything significant about Chinese ethnocentrism, or anything that isn't covered on the main ethnocentrism page. I've tried a couple of times to delete it and make it a redirect page, but my edit has been reverted, both times by people active in the Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Jewish ethnocentrism debate, one giving no reason, the other leaving a message on my Talk page labelling me “left wing”. (Update, 3rd Feb. 05: the same user, User:Jacquerie27, after pestering me on my Talk page, started looking up the articles I've started, combing them for minor, often imagined errors of grammar, sometimes leaving snide messages about me on the relvant Talk pages (see Churchill, Oxfordshire & Bachelor of Philosophy). Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:38, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC))

My suggestion is that the page be deleted (as it has no content that needs to be merged) and turned into a redirect page. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 19:35, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete. The very title of this article is POV, so it's hard to see how an article with this title can ever be made NPOV. -- Curps 19:44, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete with no redirect. I agree with Curps that an article with this title can't be made NPOV. By the same token, I don't see the value of redirecting a POV title like this to an NPOV title. This would be tantamount to redirecting "miserable failure" to George W. Bush. :-) --Deathphoenix 19:47, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • delete with no redirect Mozzerati 22:15, 2005 Feb 2 (UTC)
  • Delete For the reasons listed above. Clever point about "miserable failure" -- I agree, in that such a redirect would be POV (however funny that particular Google bomb is).Zantastik 07:40, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete However, if the article is rewritten to provide evidence that ethnocentrism in China is unique, it should not be speedied. Beta_M talk, |contrib (Ë-Mail)
  • Delete - original research - David Gerard 10:44, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Expanding the frontiers of the Semitism War to include more articles is a plain case of disrupting Wikipedia to make a point. To make the different and overriding point that we don't allow such disruption, I vote Delete. Uncle G 18:17, 2005 Feb 3 (UTC)
  • Delete. Unsourced, POV, original research. No re-direct. Jayjg (talk) 23:00, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. 81 Google hits, of which many are Wikipedian in origin. (The correct term is Sinocentrism.) GeorgeStepanek\talk 00:47, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. For reasons given by others. --BM 01:47, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Sinocentrism redirects to Chinese nationalism, but this isn't quite the same thing. Delete. -Sean Curtin 07:12, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep but rewrite each and every word. I am Chinese. I am not supposed to say anything about this issue. If you are a foreigner living in a Chinese society and people discriminate you because of your race or nationality, that's ethnocentrism. I am not supposed to say that my country has no problem with ethnocentrism. This question is better answered by other people. Chinese ethnocentrism was real. As late as some 100 years ago, many Chinese people did believe that China (中國, literally "middle kingdom") was the center (中) of the world. The invasion of European powers shattered the dream. Many Chinese abandoned the ethnocentrism and turned to be self-hatred or become white men's ass-kissers. This history indicated Chinese ethnocentrism was real. Therefore, it deserves a responsible and well-researched article. To me, this is not something to be ashamed of. If this article is finally kept, I'll remove all current material and do a better version of it. I don't care about the arguments over ther with "Jewish ethnocentrism". Censorship is not my thing. -- Toytoy 12:35, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete I made a redirect to chinese nationalism but it was reverted by jacquerie. Perhaps we can add a segment of sinocentrism on that page. As of right now, this article has nothing exceptionally chinese, and the points can be said for just about any ethnicity. Wareware 00:29, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Gamaliel 23:45, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Toytoy makes a valid argument, and it was one I was going to make on the "Jewish ethnocentrism" argument: There is a valid and well-documented part of Chinese civilization that is directly tied to the idea that China is the intellectual and cultural center of the world (which at one time was probably true, but that notwithstanding...) That said, my vote for this article is still "Delete", because this article is devoid of unique content. Toytoy's point should be considered, and I think such an article would be quite informative. Unlike Jewish ethnocentrism, which is an external (to Judaism) construct invented and used by anti-Semites to ridicule and delegitimize Jews, "Sinocentrism" is a native Chinese concept, indeed one that has played (and continues to play) a very important rôle in Chinese culture. TShilo12 00:57, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, Chinese ethnocentrism is real and an important concept. Megan1967 01:58, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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