Talk:Moderate Party

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There is prof that the Moderate is a Conservative Party not a Liberal-Conservative Party.[1][2] [3]

do you agree on neoliberal-conservative.

Thanks for providing the links, Michaelm. While I agree that one could read the platform as being "conservative", I think that we have to take into consideration the last line of [2], above: "Our policy is based on liberal and conservative values and ideas."

As well, [3], above, says: "Från början präglades partiets politik som patriotiskt och konservativt, men med tiden har liberalismen successivt vuxit sig allt starkare i partiet. Programmet 1919 slår fast att "den svenska högern är ett nationellt parti". Nu gällande partiprogram gör överhuvudtaget inga referenser till traditionellt konservativa värderingar." I can't read Swedish, but this clearly includes references to conservative and liberal.

I hope that a Swedish-speaking person can help us out here. Ground Zero 11:32, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Translation: "From the beginning the party's politics was characterized as patriotic and conservative, but as time has passed liberalism has grown stronger within the party. The party program from 1919 settles that "the swedish right wing is a nationalist party". In the current party program there are no references whatsoever to traditionally conservative values."

Trust me, they're not a traditionally conservative party. I would rather compare them to the U.S. Democratic Party or the UK Labour party. From their official website: "Our policy is based on liberal and conservative values and ideas." ([4]). Thus I think it's fair to call them liberal-conservative. /Jebur 00:09, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Keep in mind that "liberal" means very different things in British English and American English and this leads to confusion. AE "Liberalism" would be the same as BE "Social liberalism", whereas BE "Liberalism" is roughly AE "Libertarianism". The Swedish words more closely match the BE ones, "liberalism" -> "liberalism" and "socialliberalism" -> "social liberalism". /Alk (060122) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.11.202.125 (talk) 12:22, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Ideology and position.

Currently i find their ideology more right-wing-oriented. Moderate Party has been centre-right party since Fredrik Reinfeldt was the chairman, but after that... the moderate party are back to their right-wing roots, and now more than ever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LGLMZ (talk • contribs) 09:52, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

There has been recent edits in the same direction, but they aren't sourced to Wikipedia standards. Reliable sources seem to mostly call the Moderates centre-right [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]. I believe that centre-right still is the WP:DUE description.Sjö (talk) 07:00, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

I don't think this party is right-wing. There is no guarantee from any source that this party is a right-wing. It's just a relatively more conservative trend than in the past. The Moderate Party is basically a 'Centre-right' and please provide a suitable source for this party as a real 'Centre-right to right-wing' (One thing is for sure, there are no reliable sources that the Modern Party has described as 'right-wing' yet.)--삭은사과 (talk) 10:37, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

If you read this article [11] then you'll find that "the party will stand more clearly on the right-wing than during Reinfeldt's time" (Partiet vill stå mer tydligt till höger än under Reinfeldts tid.) and former leader Ulf Adelsohn (1981-1986) said that "Moderate party has returned to what we stood for". Back then they were a right-wing party and if you see party-members Tomas Tobé, Elisabeth Svantesson, Johan Forsell, Hanif Bali, Ann Heberlein and Alice Teodorescu (one of their newest members) talk about economy, migration, crimes, taxes etc. on TV, you'll find that they're clearly right-wing politicians. Their political views are quite similar to other right-wing partys KD and MED, and even far-right oriented SD (in some questions). Centre-right partys C and L are not as harsh as Moderate Party in their ideology so yeah... Moderate party is a centre-right to right-wing party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.69.38.230 (talk) 15:37, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

As sources for your recent change you added the Expressen article you linked above and a 2010 page from the Moderates website. I don't understand what you intend to show with a nine years old web page, but I can't find anything there that supports the statement. As for the Expressen page you rely on a sentence that doesn't say right-wing, just that it will stand more to the right. Then you add your personal interpretations of some politicians. That is textbook original research and as such means that "right-wing" isn't sourced. Sjö (talk) 16:19, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

I agree with previous comment, and I suggest that the claim that the party is right-wing is removed. The claim only has two sources:

• https://web.archive.org/web/20100812083123/http://www.moderat.se/web/Om_Moderaterna.aspx
• https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/ulf-kristersson-skrotar-reinfeldts-m-logga/

The first source is general information about the party, which dates back to 2010 and doesn't even mention the word "right". The second source is a newspaper article that describes that the party has adopted a new logo that resembles historical logos, and which contains only one sentence about the party's political position, but which only states that the party "now wants to stand more clearly on the right". To draw conclustions from these two sources that the party's political position is right-wing would be original research, in my opition. A source must directly support the content added. /EriFr (talk) 17:16, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

The party's growing right-wing leaner does not mean it will become a 'Right-wing' party. If that's the case, the Labour Party (UK) document should also be changed to 'Centre-Left to Left-wing'. (There are also many documents of political parties in other countries that are internationally far more extreme right than this, but are formally labeled center-right.) At least, it is right to keep the position 'Centre-right' unless there is an article that clearly states that the Moderate Party is a 'right-wing' party --삭은사과 (talk) 12:05, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Political position

During the Moderate Party Congress in October 2021, multiple new policies were brought forward - Lowering the age of criminal responsibility to 13, that Sweden should have the lowest level of immigration in the European Union aswell as to call themselves a “Grön Höger” (Green Right).

All of this together with other changes in position in favour of the right I would find it more appropriate if the Moderate Party was classified as a “Centre-right to right-wing party”. ShutTheFurgessonUp (talk) 17:06, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Oppose the above – what is being described is changes in policies, not an ideological change to party; also, centre-right is well-referenced with scholarly sources.—Autospark (talk) 21:04, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

State owned SVT aswell as Dagens Nyheter have written articles about the Moderates moving to the right. Since the Moderate Party has moved to the right ideologically and has become more conservative in its policies it would be more well-fitting if the Wikipedia-article contains that.

Besides SVT and DN, Reuters and Euractiv have brought this up. - ShutTheFurgessonUp (talk) 17:39, 26 October (UTC)

See WP:UNDUE and WP:RECENTISM.—Autospark (talk) 17:31, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

References

Sourcing, particularly in the History section

I have added Template:More refs to the History section, but I hope most issues can be resolved by comparing this article to the Swedish version, which has more sources and I assume it was largely translated from. (This is a common issue with translated articles– the content gets shared but the sources do not.) Wracking ^💬 00:52, 23 May 2023 (UTC)