Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Berlin Wall/Archive1

Berlin Wall

All around good article, and very interesting. — Nathanlarson32767 (Talk) 09:36, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

• Support. Dbiv 13:18, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
• Object, I'm afraid. This 20:38, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
• Support. Just one comment; should the see also section not refer to a few German history articles and articles dealing with the fall of European Communism - e.g. GDR border system, History of the German Democratic Republic, East Berlin, West Berlin etc. CGorman 21:48, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The "See also" section is meant to list links not yet used in the article. East and West Berlin are already mentioned in the lead section. Jeronimo 20:20, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I was just trying to give a few examples to illustate my point - perhaps GDR border system then. CGorman 21:37, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

• Object sorry, but I'm missing to much background, see de:Berliner Mauer for a comparison Several statements are factually incorrect: 238 people died not 192, Günter Schabowski never announced that the Wall was open, the people just understood him this way. that "The construction of the wall came as a complete surprise to the western Allies" is at least questionable - they knew that something important was going to happen in Berlin. "Helmstedt" was never a crossing point in the Berlin Wall because it lies over a hundred miles away from it. -- Zeitgeist 01:37, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
• Object. Lead section definitely inadequate. I agree that it could use checking against the German Wikipedia article; even if we don't translate it outright, it's a pretty decent guide for what this article could potentially accomplish. --Michael Snow 22:09, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

You don't need to translate, actually I was just to lazy to point out exactly what I was missing :-) For an example: All the English article has is: " "The construction of the wall came as a complete surprise to the western Allies" The German article has about ten paragraphs plus additional quotes from main actors about who knew (or guessed) what in advance and why. Also I'm missing some crucial information that for example 400 persons were still able to flee while the Wall was being build. -- Zeitgeist 14:43, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

• Support I agree that it would benefit from more under the See Also section, such as earlier suggested by CGorman Vaoverland 08:41, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose. Could use more on the role of the wall in the Cold War. 172 02:04, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)