Talk:Catalan personal pronouns

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The Catalan-language article was a bit wordy, while not addressing a few issues that could be confusing to a non-native speaker (like me!). As a result, this is as much a rewrite as a translation. -- Jmabel 01:23, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)

-- Hi there. That's a very useful table indeed, but aren't those words found in "dialectal variations" actually articles? I do think there should be reached an agreement and changed, that has nothing at all to do with weak pronouns. Evilfruit 18:30, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You'd probably do better to take up your question on the Catalan Wikipedia. I just translated; I'm only about a ca-1 level reader of Catalan. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:18, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Totally agree with you. I'm a Catalan native speaker and this table is composed of articles, not pronouns. So I'll delete it. --Jose piratilla (talk) 23:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Clitics?

I know nothing about Catalan, but from the article I believe they are clitic pronouns, not weak pronouns. Please rewrite and rename the article to Catalan clitic pronouns. - TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 03:01, 27 February 2008 (UTC) No, they are weak pronouns. It is not a matter of contractions but of the king of pronouns. In Catalan there are strong and weak pronouns. --Jose piratilla (talk) 23:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Takasugi Shinji is right about part of the article. Everything under "Weak pronouns" here is a clitic by any definition of clitic. There's nothing wrong with using calques of the traditional Catalan terminology fort, feble, but that should be accompanied by the standard terminology, clitic for those labeled here "weak". Also, the article as a whole should be entitled Catalan pronouns (or better, proforms), as not all are personal (and not all are pronominal).96.42.57.164 (talk) 20:08, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]