Talk:Aruba

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Wikipedia:Caribbean Wikipedians' notice board

I would like to announce the establishment of the Wikipedia:Caribbean Wikipedians' notice board. Anyone with an interest in the Caribbean is welcome to join in. Guettarda 1 July 2005 13:37 (UTC)

Papiemento

My error, sorry.

Alonso de Ojeda's bride

I removed text referring to Alonso de Ojeda marrying a "Native American". I tried to find out what tribe she may have belonged to so that I could be specific, but could find no reference to the marriage at all. If someone can find a reference for this, it should be reinstated with a specific tribal identity.

Population by nationality?

This seems stupid considering there are of dutch antilleans and dutch from the mainland, and no distinction is made. These groups often have different views on things, and have a unique cultures. Many antilleans would in general probably be a bit weirded out being called Dutch. I think it should be edited to include ethnicities rather than nationalities. DirkjanenBert (talk) 23:58, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello DirkjanenBert, I appreciate your perspective on including ethnicities in the population categorization. It's important to note that census data often categorizes individuals by nationality rather than ethnicity. This distinction aligns with legal and political affiliations, providing valuable information about the composition of the population based on citizenship. While recognizing the diversity within national groups is crucial, census data typically follows the nationality framework. If there are specific ethnic breakdowns available, it might be beneficial to include that information separately. Let's ensure the accuracy of the data while respecting the census methodology. Thank you for your input! Kallmemel (talk) 14:03, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I understand your point, but often this has not been the case in many major articles, for example, the wikipedia article of America’s ethnicity/nationality tab shows groups such as “white, black, east asian” and the sort, this is too simple, but its not nationality based. Nearby Suriname shows ethnicities in alot more detail. Even the Netherlands itself does this. In all of Russia’s provinces you can immediately see all ethnicities. so just to summarize, many articles use ethnicities for their census part, even provincial or grouping based ones, while I haven’t really seen any that use nationalities in the beginning of the article. DirkjanenBert (talk) 00:26, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for expanding on your viewpoint. I understand your perspective regarding the approach taken in other articles, like those discussing America's ethnicity/nationality tab, the neighboring countries of Suriname, and Russia's provinces. It's intriguing to observe the variations in how different regions and countries present census information. This observation prompts consideration of societal issues these countries may grapple with, reflected in the recording methods of their censuses.

Regarding the Netherlands, while I'm uncertain if they also fall under this method of categorization (for example, white or black), I can provide an example of how the Bureau of Statistics in the Netherlands records people based on their country of origin: How many residents have a foreign country of origin?. Kallmemel (talk) 11:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Thats in the Netherlands itself, this is a constituent country. Curaçao does have an ethnic make up, their sources are the CIA i think, maybe i have to double check. I think that would work. A european dutchman is not even comparable to an antillean, for one most antilleans speak papiamento instead of Dutch, so grouping seperating those groups already makes it more sensible. They could be Afro-Dutch and European-Dutch, that would definitely work. DirkjanenBert (talk) 22:53, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

I've noticed a strong emphasis on ethnic differences in our discussion. While recognizing diversity is essential, it's equally important not to overlook our shared humanity and the common experiences that bind us. A more inclusive approach can better reflect the reality of a globalized world where people's identities are often complex and multifaceted.

Rather than solely focusing on distinctions, let's also consider the broader picture that includes commonalities. This approach could provide a more holistic understanding of Curaçao's or any population, for that matter. I value your insights but believe we should strive for a representation that captures both the unique and shared aspects of communities. Kallmemel (talk) 10:10, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Aruba: "note: data represent population by nationality" Kallmemel (talk) 10:17, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

So your point against using ethnicities is that their identity is complex, so that an ethnic tab won’t fully represent that? A good argument on its own, but completely invalid when you also advocate that we should use nationalities instead, which is a complete generalization wnd tells you nothing about someone’s identity, because anyone can become a citizen, even if you don’t speak the language or are of a different culture.

If I search Nigeria, do you think it says 93% Nigerian Nationals 7% other nationalities?

No it doesn’t because that would give very little information.

I am not from Aruba, and I would like to get an idea of the diversity on the island, but from this info i get absolutely nothing. What type of people are they? No clue, with a definition as wide as Dutch they could be turkish or Frisian and I don’t have a freaking idea if I don’t read the history tab, which doesn’t give me that much info about it either.

I really appreciate your politeness and patience, but you shouldn’t ignore that different ethnic groups and cultures exist, and wildly differ. DirkjanenBert (talk) 20:00, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi DirkjanenBert, I see your frustration. The island has lost its identity through colonization. For example, nowadays, locals on the island think that Sinterklaas is a part of their culture. Why shouldn’t they, that’s all they’ve ever known. Most of the old families are from European descent, because all of the original indigenous people were killed or removed from the islands. On the long run it doesn’t matter where they came from. You lose that identity over time. For example: African-Americans doesn’t make sense, in my view. This person is American. Has never stepped foot on Africa. Yes, their ancestors were African but that’s where it ends. America is all they’ve ever known. It doesn’t matter on the long run. I’m not over-generalising, most of us were Neanderthal once, if we want to be really specific. I don’t see anyone nitpicking on the idea of being a neanderthal, but where out here nitpicking if somebody speaks Mandarin, oh means their Chinese? This is a gross over-simplification, and if this Chinese person moves to Italy, what now their Chinese-Italian? because they speak Mandarin and Italian and eats pasta. And then their kids move to the UK, now their Chinese-Italian-British? When are the hyphens gonna end? Billions of years of human evolution, and Afro-Dutch is a “specific” terminology to name a person? It’s a gross over-simplification. If Italian-American arrives on the island with an American passport, that person is simply an American by nationality doesn’t matter if speak gibberish or Mandarin. So if they don’t speak much Dutch on the island it’s for multiple reasons, but that doesn’t make them less Dutch by nationality, that’s all they’ve ever known.

If you want more information about one’s origin visit 23andme.com, and buy a test kit for everyone. That’s the only way your gonna get answers. Kallmemel (talk) 00:51, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Grumble

This verbose article does not give a year of settlement. Foreign language Wikis all have 1636. Benjamin Trovato (talk) Benjamin Trovato (talk) 05:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

The year 1636, is not mentioned, and it should be. For example as the end of the Spanish period. Kallmemel (talk) 12:23, 12 May 2024 (UTC)