Talk:European Green Party

Infobox: European upper/lower houses

There are at least 3 reasons why this information is removed:

1. The scope is unclear: ‘European’ means just the EU countries or the whole Europe (whatever that can mean)?
2. Upper and lower houses have no meaning or are ambiguous for some countries: e.g. unicameral, federal systems.
3. The statistics are almost unverifiable from sources and quickly go out of date due to e.g. floor crossing, byelections, local elections changing the seat allocations.

– Kaihsu (talk) 11:16, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

@Julius Schwarz: I have not dared to change the infoboxes for other europarties along the lines I proposed above. Kaihsu (talk) 19:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a tough one. I actually really agree with your points and I do not think that the current system allows for useful information: numbers are not consistent across parties and it becomes too much work to keep them updated and relevant, so the information is not meaningful.

Until the EU has a coherent system of political parties across governance levels (with the same parties found at each level), I would support removing that information too, and just focus on European-level bodies.

PS: already keeping the bars up to date in the body of the article, including the Council of the EU, would be good. Julius Schwarz (talk) 20:20, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

actually, this is an open and potentially silly question, but can we use Wikidata to have a small database ofthe composition of national governments which we could use to update the composition bars for the European Council and Council of the European Union? Julius Schwarz (talk) 20:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

That would be so cool. I want updates on this. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 23:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Take a look at this attempt earlier: User:Kaihsu/Europarties in European Council and EU Council. European Council is fine, but Council of the EU would be tricky: To be pedantic, the participants depend on the configuration and can change each meeting; in addition, some participants are not directly linked to a (euro)party – sometimes just a high-ranking official from the ministry or a diplomat stationed at the seat of the Council. Kaihsu (talk) 05:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

That's not pedantic, that's the reality. And it bugs me that we keep "27" even though the total number varies according to the number of coalition governments at any given time. But it's probably informative enough.

In the meantime, I would suggest holding off on removing the lower/upper houses. I am creating a template to, at least, harmonise the numbers of seats for all institutions. Then we can try and see whether we can have a system to automate figures -- both for the Council of the EU and for lower/upper houses (perhaps).

PS: on a separate but related note, I want to add a warning banner so that people do not rush to change MEP numbers for European parties right after the European elections, as the official numbers will only come later, once revised and approved by the APPF. Julius Schwarz (talk) 07:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Just added a proposed banner on the European political party page and Template:MEPcountEuropeanParty. Before I add it to individual parties, I welcome your feedback. Julius Schwarz (talk) 10:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

The map of member parties should be updated

by colouring Lithuanian green as it has new member party 78.58.3.21 (talk) 20:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

A lot of changes should be made as the map is very outdated. There aren't 3 membership types anymore as the "candidate" status doesn't seem to exist anymore. Croatia and Montenegro should also be coloured (dark) green as they have full member parties now, URA and Možemo!. Belarus doesn't have a member at all anymore so it should be coloured grey.

Maybe since it's quite outdated and false rn, until it's updated it should be removed. It's not neccessary (other europarty articles don't have maps) so until there's a new 1 that there isn't confusing info. CroatiaElects (talk) 21:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)