Talk:H-dropping

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Spread in the Early Modern Age?

What I find intriguing about h-dropping is that it occurs nearly everywhere in England but is (almost) absent from American English. The article also says that puns in Shakespeare indicate that h-dropping was already widespread by 1600. How is it then possible that [h] was preserved in America? That probably means that in Early Modern English, h-dropping had a more limited range and did not (generally) occur in the North and West of England. The brief "History" section of this article, however, provides no information on this. Steinbach (talk) 17:34, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

East Anglia

A great number of the early settlers of the USA hailed from East Anglia (especially Norfolk,Suffolk and Essex -meaning "native" Essex,not London "overspill" Essex).This area is still largely h- pronouncing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:B07:6463:99D:5469:932A:C9DE:1B57 (talk) 11:46, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mention of Australian English with Hiberno-English.

In my experience, Australia unilaterally teaches and uses haitch. The phonetics taught at the youngest school age employs 'haitch', and the alphabet song known by children is the variant that uses 'haitch' and 'zed'. High school students undertake the Haitch Ess Cee. It's no secret that most of the population of Australia is of Hiberno descent alongisde Anglo-Saxon, given the large amounts of Catholic Irish deported here during the times of the penal colonies. Someone need only find a source or two to make it a proper addendum.Wooblo (talk) 03:55, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

h-dropping normal in American English

Phonologically distinct from stereotypical Brit h-dropping, but omnipresent. In He has a hat on his head there is a reasonably clear hierarchy of likelihood of /h/ not surfacing phonetically, prosodically determined, with hat most resistant. If could of -- rampant written and spoken in the U.S. -- is included in the article as an example of h-dropping and the phenomenon discussed is defined no more carefully than "the deletion of the voiceless glottal fricative or "H-sound", [h]", the assertion "It is not generally found in North American English" is false. -- BTW, this article would also seem to be a good place to mention, at least briefly, with a link to more detail elsewhere, of e.g. an ’istorical novel vs. a history book. For some this seems to be natural stress-conditioned allophony. For others it appears not to be, so that (perhaps) the frequency of h-dropped an ’istorical even in high registers leads to the odd phonologically-unmotivated an [h]istorical. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 14:37, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

H-insertion deserves more real estate on this article

H-insertion gets only a very brief mention in the article and is not expanded upon, despite it being an essential part of various dialects of English, such as Caribbean. In the H-dropping section of the article, it's dismissed as a hypercorrection or, even worse, as a "stylistic prosodic effect", rather than an integrated part of many English dialects (even Kendrick Lamar uses it). I really don't know that much about it, but if you do, then please add some more info! Tuliodawidserafeimcabral (talk) 15:50, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]