Talk:Strappado

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Usage in Mosul

In the "Modern Instances" section, the article states that in 2017 that form of torture was used by the Iraqi Army. There is a unique source (RT.com) which I don't think is sufficient given usual criticism against RT. Whilst I do not have better sources, I find the RT article to raise quite a few questions. In particular, I find it rather hard to believe journalist(s) managed to get such high quality photos taken with the approval of army officials and then had to sneak out of Iraq because the government would have disapproved. Are there other sources that would confirm/infirm the claim? I'm flagging the information as dubious in the meantime. (no doubt horrible things happened in Mosul but it's not the role of WP to relate unverifiable facts). This news story http://abcnews.go.com/International/deepdive/brian-ross-investigates-the-torture-tapes-47429895 is another report based on the same photos. I can't vouch for accuracy though. Thibaut Lienart (talk) 03:19, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

After a bit more searching, it looks like the original source is in fact credible and in fact that a Capt Omar Nazar does not dispute authenticity of the tapes. NYT article on this based on the ABC story: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/world/middleeast/iraqi-special-forces-execution.html. I'll remove the dubious flag and add these sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThibautLienart (talk • contribs) 03:32, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Palestinian hanging

'The modern name "Palestinian hanging" might be derived from its use in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict'

Where the heck did you learn that from? I'm an Israeli and I've never heard of this. I understand that it's fashionable nowadays to attribute nazi-like behavior to Israeli soldiers (and to Israelis in general), but I think it's best to keep such nasty political agendas out of Wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.228.82.140 (talk • contribs) 10:20, February 18, 2005 (UTC)

I have also been quite confused with the profound statement saying clearly it was used by the Israeli army, and to make things worse the editor added sources which clearly state either that there are no evidence of Israeli usage of the method or otherwise state the aftermath of the torture methods employed by them result in minor unnoticeable physical marks (which definitely do not conform with the physical outcome of the hanging method). I have edited the page and advised to read the sources - the page was later re-edited by Nick Moyes. I have initially made quite a mess, but I believe now it is more clear that it is not widely agreed that this method was indeed used by Israel - though to be honest, in light of the sources and their content I would make it more clear that it is highly unlikely that it is used. But that could just be me being biased. - Also I'd like to give kudos to Nick for his quick editing of the page! –AmirWollman — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.154.66.118 (talk) 10:26, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Whether you characterize use of force by the Israeli military "nazi-like" is your opinion. There is certainly enough documentation to show the Israeli military has systematically employed tortured against Palestinians at various times. In fact, torture was legal under Israeli law until 1999. Just because you're Israeli doesn't mean you know everything about Israel. It's not too hard to go to the B'Tselem or Human Rights Watch websites and learn about the Israeli military. -HeatherRes1514

There was a link to two forms of torture on the Torture article: strappado, and palestinian hanging. On review they were pretty much identical. Same torture, different historical context. I merged the two articles.

Note the original article did not say a specific side used it. It says "In the conflict". Don't over-react and assume everything is partisan. I merged the two articles on the basis of identical descriptions. My personal assumption is, had it been used by Israeli's, it would probably be called "Israeli hanging". In other words... don't over react. Check your concerns calmly, before shouting foul. Okay? FT2 21:54, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

Exactly. I originally wrote the Reverse Hanging article and kept "Palestinian hanging" phrase unattributed to either side because I was unsure of how the phrase came to be (I also wanted to use "reverse hanging" phrase more, because of the nature of the "Palestinian hanging" phrase). I ended up editing it to "alleged use by Israeli forces" following additional information in the recent AP article that's also included in the article. Since it's used by other Middle Eastern countries, I would consider it a loaded word, and I wouldn't be surprised if the phrasing originated from there, similar to the various national attributions of Syphilis, usually to an antangoist.--YoungFreud 22:26, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Funny how an Israeli is so quick to deny that their army uses such techniques before anyone has even suggested that they do. — Chameleon 11:48, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Given all the nonsense that gets talked about the Middle East, a little paranoia is quite understandable and forgivable; indeed, its complete absence would be amazing. After all, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you! Taxwoman 11:59, 14 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

For what its worth, in my brief research for this article I found considerable mention of the use of this technique by North Vietnam, Turkey and, recently, the United States, but very little serious mention of uses by Israelis or Palestinians. In fact, two academic sources suggest that the term is a misnomer, similar to Chinese water torture, which is not Chinese.68.166.235.8 (talk) 03:08, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Some sort of identification (alleged use by) should be added after the use of the term "Palestinian Hanging", since the name includes national and ethnic group (by name); it ties the method with this specific group, and that's why I believe it should be clarified. An example would be to call the Holocaust a "Jewish Holocaust", in the same logic, this ties the Holocaust to the Jewish identity and does not really clarify weather the identity was a victim of this term or an oppressor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.107.13.181 (talk) 10:56, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Questionable Sources

Democracy Now? MSNBC op ed? Nice try. Myrkkyhammas (talk) 04:16, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Illustration

In the attached illustration of midieval use of the torture, why do the victim's eyes look so odd? A blindfold? Or a side effect of the tortrue itself? 50.180.19.238 (talk) 14:50, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]