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Riesling Connection?

Wasn't it a Katzenelnbogen who introduced the Riesling grape into Germany? --Fulminouscherub 21:51, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Almost - the first record documenting the existence of Riesling wine at all, i.e. not only in Germany, is from 1435, and it lists the purchase of 6 barrels of Riesling by the Count of Katzenelnbogen from a Rüsselsheim vintner. So, there is a "Riesling connection", but not in the sense that the family introduced the grape. Clossius 19:29, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

etymology

quote from the wiki:

In German, Katzenelnbogen means "cat's elbow". The "cat's elbow" in German is analogous to "the cat's meow" in English, as in the expression, "Isn't she the cat's meow?" meaning, "Doesn't she have everything going for her?" In German, "Sie ist die Katzenelnbogen!" means, "Isn't she wonderful? Isn't she the cat's meow?" Naming a town "the cat's meow", then, implied that the town had everything going for it--proximity to other, larger towns, beautiful scenery, access to fresh water and air, abundant food and transportation resources, etc.

As a german native speaker who ended up by coincidence on this page, I would like to state that I have never heard of and that there is not a single reference anywhere that in german language the term Katzenelnbogen (or Katzenellenbogen, which is at least orthographically correct) means anything else than a cat's elbow. The whole section is completely made up, as the community's german wiki proves.

I strongly suggest erasing that part ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.167.202.38 (talk) 11:06, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

erased it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.167.202.38 (talk) 17:41, 24 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I looked up 'Ellenboge(n)' (in Grimms Wörterbuch part 3, columns 414-416) and found a source for the name of the noble family of Katzenelnbogen , which states, that they were named after a mountain in the Eger-region (between Franconia and Bohemia, which was pretty much in a primordial state until the early 17th century) near to their stem-seat (I do not know the translation of 'Stammsitz'). Apparently it was the thought to be the very elbow-ish shape of that mountain after which they were named. The source was the second volume of:

Förstemann, Ernst: Geschichte des deutschen Sprachraums. Nordhausen 1874/75. (two volumes) --78.51.122.206 (talk) 18:34, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]