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Archive 4 material transferred from Main Talk Page 15 March 2005 Courtland 23:55, 2005 Mar 15 (UTC)

Summary

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Buildings and structures suggestions

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Now that the geo-stubs are organised by country (which I feel a bit embarrassed avbout, having embarked on that project and largely completed it before I knew how bureacratised the stub-sorting section was - apologies if I trod on any toes doing that!)... erm, where was I? Ah yes. Now that the geo-stubs are organised by country, I'd suggest that it would make more sense to organise buildings and structures by that method than by type of structure. It seems logical to me that someone living in a particular area would have more resources to find out about the structures in that area than they would to find out about all bridges worldwide, say. Given that there are about 500 struct-stub articles, I'm not proposing the large numbers of subcategories that there are for the now over 5000 geo-stubs, but having the following three might be very useful: US-struct-stub, UK-struct-stub, and Euro-struct-stub. Each of those would have at least 50-100 articles. Any others subcategories would only be considered by me if there were more than about 50 from a particular area (Canada might just scrape in, I'd have to check). Any thoughts? Grutness|hello? 11:45, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

A quick sample suggests around 170 UK, 110 US, and 60 European struct-stubs, with 160 from elsewhere. Grutness|hello?

Sounds logical. They could be listed under country-(geo)-stubs and structure-stubs by categories. Go ahead. (don't forget to edit the final hierarchy accordingly) --Circeus 14:12, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)

I forgot to add - this doesn't mean that types of structures (such as the museum-stub) aren't also useful. There's nothing to stop a museum in London, say, from being both a UK-struct-stub and a museum-stub, in the same way that a Swedish writer might be both a writer stub and a Sweden-related stub. That way it would feed subcategories of UK-geo-stub, and struct-stub, and museum articles. In fact subcategorising them by region might make it more apparent what types of structures the stub articles are about (I'd be able to tell if there were lots of bridges or stadia, for instance) Grutness|hello? 22:26, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Update: As things stand, there's two days before I start on this... I've looked at all the articles currently in Category:Buildings and structures stubs and the breakdown is as follows:

Total 496 stubs
UK 149 (30%)
US 128 (26%)
Europe 79 (16%)
Asia 47 (9%)
Canada 27 (5%)
All other locations 15 (3%)
Architecture-related 51 (10%)

No doubt there are others within the various geo-stub categories as well. With those figures, I inted to make a UK-struct-stub, a US-struct-stub, and a Euro-struct-stub, to be subcategories of their respective geo-stub categories and of the B&S-stub category. I'll also propose now (below) an Arch-stub for architectural terms and building types and features (see below). Grutness|hello? 10:51, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Update: I have today created {{UK-struct-stub}}, {{US-struct-stub}}, and {{Euro-struct-stub}}. I have also entered them into the hierarchy at the top of the page. NB: in doing so, I have also moved building and structure stubs to under geography stubs in the hierarchy, since that is the more logical place for it. (If I was wrong to do that, then feel free to move it back!) Grutness|hello? 05:54, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Cthulhu (*->Fantasy-stub*)

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I've noticed an awfully large number of Lovecraftian stubs... is it worth having a separate Cthulhu mythos stub (maybe Cthu-stub so it's easier to spell!) as a subcategory of lit-stubs? Grutness|hello? 23:55, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

What about a somewhat larger category like "Fictional Belief Systems" with a stub-tag like relific-stub? Courtland 01:18, 2005 Feb 13 (UTC)
Or better yet, "Fictional Characters" with a stub like "biofic-stub"? Courtland 02:21, 2005 Feb 13 (UTC)
Not a bad idea... one problem as far as the Cthulhu articles are concerned, though, is that only about two-thirds of the articles are on characters (Cykranosh, for instance, is not, and neither is Innsmouth). Grutness|hello? 08:15, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
It should be Cthulhu-stub if one is created (that's what Cthulhu enthusiasts would expect), but it would probably be better to create a fantasy-stub to go along with the SF-stub and then label all the Cthulhu-related stubs with a fantasy-stub instead. BlankVerse ∅ 13:30, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I've just suggested this separately (a fantasy-stub, that is). It's a very good idea; I keep running across stub articles that would go into it. (The list above seems like enough for a start, but there are many more.) Tolkien stubs could be a subcategory. -Aranel ("Sarah") 01:30, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

It seems there's a consensus for doing something here, at least... so is the consensus for putting all the Cthulhu items into fantasy-stub, or having separate cthulhu-stubs as a subcategory like Tolkien-stubs would be? Grutness|hello? 04:21, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Cthulu-stub under a Fantasy-stub. Over @ Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Fantasy_books I've proposed a generic structure for literature genres, using Fantasy as the working example; this is for non-stubs, but there is sense in making the stub categorization and full article categorization somewhat congruent. Courtland 04:26, 2005 Feb 15 (UTC)
I've re-stubbed the articles above to Template:fantasy-stub for the most part. A couple of them went to Template:cvg-stub and a couple of them were beyond stub (in my opinion). Courtland 00:01, 2005 Mar 3 (UTC)

Change to medicine-stub

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Note - I am changing the wording of Template:med-stub very slightly, from "This medicine-related article..." to "This medical article...", since medicine, in some uses of the term, can simply mean the drugs used ("Take your medicine"). It's been bugging me for ages. If you feel this is a bad move, feel free to change it back! Grutness|hello? 06:32, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Metro stubs (*created*)

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As a parent category for both New York City Subway and London Underground stubs, this could also contain all of those Montreal metro stubs. (Getting them out of Category:Rail stubs.) -Aranel ("Sarah") 16:01, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Apart from the Montreal stations, are there enough articles on subways or metros that would fit under this category? I can expand the Montreal métro articles with enough info to get them out of stubland. --jag123 03:17, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
There are definitely enough with the Montreal stubs. I've also found a number of Toronto Subway and RT, Osaka Municipal Subway, and of course the Paris Métro. (Actually, it looks like there are more of them than I thought.) -Aranel ("Sarah") 03:59, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Don't forget Singapore, such as Raffles Place MRT Station. Susvolans 18:19, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Or Hong-Kong! This is a good move, I think. I've stubbed a lot of the Montreal ones as rail, but always felt that something else would have done better. Grutness|hello? 02:10, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The above examples were...well...examples. This is next on my "stubs to make" list. -Aranel ("Sarah") 02:56, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I just created Template:Metro-stub. Now to sort out all those articles... -Aranel ("Sarah") 02:14, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

book stub *exists*

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I'm getting fed up with working out whether individual books deserve lit-stub or not. I'm sure that there are enough of them for a separate book-stub. Thoughts yay or nay? Grutness|hello? 12:44, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • Yay. Analogous to Template:album-stub and Template:song-stub Courtland 13:14, 2005 Mar 2 (UTC)
  • Yes, please. Anything to get lit-stub down to a more manageable size. -Aranel ("Sarah") 17:57, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Okay - I realise this has only been here a couple of days, but I went ahead anyway - there is now Template:Book-stub Grutness|hello? 02:15, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • Problem: it seems that Book-stub was already there - a redirect to Lit-stub. It may be that a check will need to be made on the articles currently in book-stub to make sure they are not general literature articles! Grutness|hello?
        • I've looked over the list and they seem to all be books (except a couple that I removed). Some of them may be better sorted elsewhere, though. (For example, fantasy-genre books are likely to receive more attention in the fantasy category.) -Aranel ("Sarah") 02:59, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

television series stubs *created*

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I went ahead and created a new stub template and category to allow reduction of stub numbers in the television stubs category. The new items are Template:tvseries-stub and Category:television series stubs. My reasoning was that a) the Category:television stubs has >800 stubs in it and b) a large % of those stubs relate to television series. I've taken the extra step of putting "usage recommendation" notes at the top of the category which read:

This stub template and category are for television series, individual episodes of series and people, places, and things associated with particular television series.
There are several other stubs available for particular series or networks; please consider using these .. see list.
If your article is about sports, such as a sports series, please consider using a sports-related stub .. see list.
If your article is about Sesame Street, please use the {{PBS stub}}.
this is the 3rd revision

As I created this prior to discussion, I'll make whatever changes that folks agree are necessary to this template & category based on input from here forward. Thanks. Courtland 12:34, 2005 Mar 4 (UTC)

Last update on stub counts ... Category:Television stubs 296 versus Category:Television series stubs 582. Courtland 03:32, 2005 Mar 15 (UTC)

It might not be a bad idea to break up the TV series category while it's still a remotely manageable size. -Aranel ("Sarah") 20:49, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

compu-domain-stub

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Compu-domain-stubs (Category:Domain name stubs) has only 16 atrticles left in it. It is intended for articles relating to internet domains. It had more in it for a short time because someone started moving ccTLDs into it at the same time I started removing the compu-stub template from them (following discussion at Category talk:Computer stubs where no one could think of anything that needed to be added to these stubs in general. When I saw them disappearing I thought someone was removing the stub not sorting the stubs. ccTLDs are 2 letter endings for internet domains like something.uk).

There are a few miscellaneous articles left in this stub-category. Is it useful enough to keep? RJFJR 04:34, Feb 12, 2005 (UTC)

The Compu-domain-stubs is too narrow a topic for stubs, but there definately needs to be some sort of internet-stub created instead. BlankVerse ∅ 08:48, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Already in the intended hierarchy. You can remove (think to update the hierarchy). --Circeus 02:28, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC)
We should probably not delete this one until after the internet-stub is created, though. (There's no sense in moving these twice.) -Aranel ("Sarah") 02:02, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Well, unfortunately someone just stubbed Blue Oval News to this category. I thought I should bring this to your attention. Courtland 06:43, 2005 Feb 16 (UTC)
It might be wise to add a note at the top of the category page informing folks that it's likely to be merged with a new stub category. (But still, if people tag more compu-domain-stubs, that will provide a ready-made list for assigning internet stubs.) -Aranel ("Sarah") 22:09, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I take it that the deletion of this stub is no longer being pursued, correct? Courtland 06:05, 2005 Mar 6 (UTC)

Discordian stub

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The category Category:Discordianism stubs has only 2 entries, one of which is its template. It's listed under religion stubs. Considering what it says at discordianism can we really expect enough stubs to make this category useful? Template is {{eris-stub}} RJFJR 05:08, Feb 12, 2005 (UTC)

Add another topic stub to the list of stubs to be deleted. BlankVerse ∅ 08:51, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • sigh* remove. --Circeus 02:29, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC)
Delete Courtland 02:56, 2005 Feb 15 (UTC)

Shall we put this on Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion and Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion? Courtland 06:09, 2005 Mar 6 (UTC)

socio-stub *created*

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  • sociology = socio-stub

Johari window a definate as far as i am concerned

some (but not all) of these could qualify under psych-stub (including Johari Window!) Grutness|hello? 06:38, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Created as {{Socio-stub}}. Grutness|hello? 06:34, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

job-stub *created*

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  • jobs/industry = job-stub

Fisherman, Bartender again- a definate for me

    • Definitely. I was thinking of suggestion occu-stub myself, but job-stub is a better name. Grutness|hello? 05:58, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

CREATED as {{Job-stub}} Grutness|hello?

dance-stub *created*

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  • dance = dance-stub dance stub has been made - thanks Bluemoose 15:47, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • I moved this from Template:Dance stub to Template:Dance-stub for consistency with other stub templates (makes it easier to remember). I also updated the category to reflect that it is appropriate for all dance-related stubs, not just specific dances. -Aranel ("Sarah") 18:01, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Dance etiquette, Dance marathon i would like to see dance go into art/artists, but i dont think others would agree.

    • I definitely support this. I don't think there are enough for 100 (but there might be), but they don't fit well into anything else and there are definitely quite a few of them. You could put it under art as a subcategory, but putting dance articles under art (without a more specific tag) would be confusing. -Aranel ("Sarah") 20:05, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • p.s. there are lots more examples for all these, as i am sure a lot of you are aware, and also i have no idea how to make a stub category, so if any of these are approved, could someone more experienced do the honours? thanks in advance. Bluemoose 17:08, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • sounds like a reasonable request. I'm sure that I or one of the others would be happy to. Grutness|hello? 00:14, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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