Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Differences Between Pokémon and Digimon
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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was delete. -- AllyUnion (talk) 06:13, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Not notable; the two series are inherently unrelated. As kelvSYC put it, "Do we need something like Comparison of apples and oranges?" --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 02:29, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Not meaningful. --Sn0wflake 03:07, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, not notable, not encyclopaedic. Megan1967 03:15, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Plenty of VfD voters need to read up on the differences. Kappa 03:21, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Why do you assume the voters didn't read the article? I read it and found absolutely nothing of use or that somebody couldn't point out within three seconds of watching each show. --Sn0wflake 14:31, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I know some voters need to read this kind of article because they say things like "digimons are basically the same as pokemons right?". The article would be useful for people who've heard of them, but haven't had the opportunity to watch both shows. Kappa 06:39, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- And this article explains how very different they are. Lets see: 1. they have different names, 2. the plots are not identical; they battle evil in two slightly different ways, 3. digimon speak a real language (most notable difference listed), 4. their individual names are a bit different, 5. they evolve in slightly different ways, 6. they are not identical in every way, 7. digimon are sometimes scarier. Wow. Yes, when something rips off a popular idea, they don't copy it 100%. We get the idea. I suppose we'll be seeing difference pages for "Go-bots and Transformers", "7-Up and Sierra Mist", "Lord of the Rings and Sword of Shannara", "According to Jim and King of Queens", ad nauseam. Please, let's not go down this road. -R. fiend 07:05, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- So as we can see, some consider that pokemons and digimons are "inherently unrelated", and some consider that it's a ripoff, but not quite 100%. But this page should be apparently be deleted in order to prevent any other difference pages from showing up. Kappa 07:19, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- And this article explains how very different they are. Lets see: 1. they have different names, 2. the plots are not identical; they battle evil in two slightly different ways, 3. digimon speak a real language (most notable difference listed), 4. their individual names are a bit different, 5. they evolve in slightly different ways, 6. they are not identical in every way, 7. digimon are sometimes scarier. Wow. Yes, when something rips off a popular idea, they don't copy it 100%. We get the idea. I suppose we'll be seeing difference pages for "Go-bots and Transformers", "7-Up and Sierra Mist", "Lord of the Rings and Sword of Shannara", "According to Jim and King of Queens", ad nauseam. Please, let's not go down this road. -R. fiend 07:05, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I know some voters need to read this kind of article because they say things like "digimons are basically the same as pokemons right?". The article would be useful for people who've heard of them, but haven't had the opportunity to watch both shows. Kappa 06:39, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Why do you assume the voters didn't read the article? I read it and found absolutely nothing of use or that somebody couldn't point out within three seconds of watching each show. --Sn0wflake 14:31, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. No they don't. Foobaz·✐ 05:31, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, for so very many reasons. -R. fiend 06:14, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, as Sparky says. Radiant! 09:44, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. They are different. So what? --BM 15:18, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Agree with above. Carrp | Talk 15:34, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. If this is encyclopedic, what's to stop someone from creating "Differences Between Days of our Lives and Law and Order" or "Differences Between American Idol and Dr. Phil"? Szyslak 05:37, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Some other possibilities: differences between "Alien" and "Aliens"; between "Scarlet O'Hara" and "Blanche DuBois"; between "Windows NT" and "Windows 2000"; not to mention the possible differences between "Ashlee Simpson" and "Ashley Judd", or between "Ashlee Simpson" and "Bart Simpson". vlad_mv 06:26, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Differences between Windows NT and Blanche DuBois. Delete. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:42, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)
- But where will it end? If reduction ad absurdum can get this article deleted, what will stop Elvis Presley getting deleted in case a random teenager with a guitar uses it as a precedent? Kappa 08:55, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Differences between X and Y are not generally encyclopedic. If one is clearly a derivative of the other, and there is a large chance of mistaking one for the other, some non-obvious differences may be considered for listing under that article. But in this article, "pokemon is about a boy who wants to be a famous trainer and collects animals" and "digimon is about a group of kids trying to save the world from evil digital things" is extremely obvious. Radiant! 11:26, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)
- How can it be obvious to someone who's never seen a digimon show? Kappa 13:26, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I think we're revolving around the same arguments here. IMHO, the role of Wikipedia is not to make this obvious through an individual article, even to someone who hasn't seen the shows. Users should be perfectly able to read the Pokémon and Digimon pages and draw the differences themselves. If there's any risk of confusion, one could simply add a "Not to be confused with ..." line on the top of the main article. The point of the irony above was this: if we establish a precedent for such separate articles, what would stop us from creating them ad nauseum, for instance, for every sequel of every movie? There are obvious plot, casting, production differences between "Alien", "Aliens" and "Alien3", not to mention blatant stylistic differences due to the fact that each had a different director; and their names are so similar someone who hasn't seen any of the movies could easily get confused. vlad_mv 14:57, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I don't think the users would thank you for making them wade through a 37k page when a summary of the differences was already available somewhere else. Differences between items in a series like Alien could and should be discussed in the main article of that series. Why should someone who's interested in the development of that series have to 5 read separate articles with repeated information? Kappa 20:42, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I see your point, but that's a different claim: namely, that the Alien Series should have a separate article, because all movies taken together do form a notable unity. For the sake of concision, I'll leave that discussion aside for the moment. But I'll grant that: if we all agreed that such a page should exist, I'd be the first to approve discussion of the differences between the movies there. Now, coming back to the issue: are we prepared to say that Pokémon and Digimon form a coherent and notable unity? I would say no, at least not in the same way as the Alien Series obviously does. And if the answer is no, the comparison page should be ruled out. vlad_mv 00:02, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- A work and it's ripoff(s) work form a unity. Even if they aren't a ripoff, they are two things of the same kind, like Judaism and Christianity, which we have an [[article comparing. Kappa 09:17, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- The fact the two things are "of the same kind" is not sufficient to say that they form a unity. Oranges and apples are of the same kind and do not form such unity - which means, if we allow a Comparison of apples and oranges page, we might as well have to allow a Comparison of cuccumber and squash, Comparison of parsley and chives, etc. Neither do Blanche DuBois and Scarlet O'Hara, for that matter. The list of counterexamples could go on indefinetly. The fact that it is a ripoff (if it indeed is) is not sufficient either. IMHO, the comparison with Judaism and Christianity seems to show clearly why we shouldn't allow this one, and not the opposite. vlad_mv 10:04, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Apples and oranges do not form a unity by themselves, but they belong to the unity fruit and do not resemble each other very much within that realm. Apples and pears resemble each other quite a lot, and I'm disappointed to see nothing discussing the difference between them in pome. Similarly gourd should discuss differences between melons, squashes and cucumbers. Kappa 22:06, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- The fact the two things are "of the same kind" is not sufficient to say that they form a unity. Oranges and apples are of the same kind and do not form such unity - which means, if we allow a Comparison of apples and oranges page, we might as well have to allow a Comparison of cuccumber and squash, Comparison of parsley and chives, etc. Neither do Blanche DuBois and Scarlet O'Hara, for that matter. The list of counterexamples could go on indefinetly. The fact that it is a ripoff (if it indeed is) is not sufficient either. IMHO, the comparison with Judaism and Christianity seems to show clearly why we shouldn't allow this one, and not the opposite. vlad_mv 10:04, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I don't think the users would thank you for making them wade through a 37k page when a summary of the differences was already available somewhere else. Differences between items in a series like Alien could and should be discussed in the main article of that series. Why should someone who's interested in the development of that series have to 5 read separate articles with repeated information? Kappa 20:42, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I think we're revolving around the same arguments here. IMHO, the role of Wikipedia is not to make this obvious through an individual article, even to someone who hasn't seen the shows. Users should be perfectly able to read the Pokémon and Digimon pages and draw the differences themselves. If there's any risk of confusion, one could simply add a "Not to be confused with ..." line on the top of the main article. The point of the irony above was this: if we establish a precedent for such separate articles, what would stop us from creating them ad nauseum, for instance, for every sequel of every movie? There are obvious plot, casting, production differences between "Alien", "Aliens" and "Alien3", not to mention blatant stylistic differences due to the fact that each had a different director; and their names are so similar someone who hasn't seen any of the movies could easily get confused. vlad_mv 14:57, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- How can it be obvious to someone who's never seen a digimon show? Kappa 13:26, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Differences between X and Y are not generally encyclopedic. If one is clearly a derivative of the other, and there is a large chance of mistaking one for the other, some non-obvious differences may be considered for listing under that article. But in this article, "pokemon is about a boy who wants to be a famous trainer and collects animals" and "digimon is about a group of kids trying to save the world from evil digital things" is extremely obvious. Radiant! 11:26, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)
- But where will it end? If reduction ad absurdum can get this article deleted, what will stop Elvis Presley getting deleted in case a random teenager with a guitar uses it as a precedent? Kappa 08:55, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Delete Not encyclopedic at all. It's like making an article on the differences between Star Wars and Star Trek. Who gives a damn about this really. Wareware 02:08, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- DeleteWhile we do have some stuff like this, such as Comparing and contrasting Judaism and Christianity, they really need to have more in common than digimon and Pokemon.-LtNOWIS 04:26, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I disagree that they have to have more in common than Digimon and Pokemon (the article doesn't really establish any siginifant differences at all), but it does need more importance. The differences between Christianity and Judiasm affects anyone who is a practicing member of either religion, and many who aren't. The differences between Digimon and Pokemon are important only to a few elementary schoolers and other fans who already know what the differences are. -R. fiend 04:36, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- It's also important to any parent who wants to talk to their child about their hobby, or me when I have to vote on these things. I don't want to have to read the whole digimon article, jeez.
- I disagree that they have to have more in common than Digimon and Pokemon (the article doesn't really establish any siginifant differences at all), but it does need more importance. The differences between Christianity and Judiasm affects anyone who is a practicing member of either religion, and many who aren't. The differences between Digimon and Pokemon are important only to a few elementary schoolers and other fans who already know what the differences are. -R. fiend 04:36, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Kappa 09:17, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Yeah, I guess you're probably right about the importance thing, R. friend. Of course, no 2 cases are the same. And Kappa, while I feel for you, you or anyone else can probably find a similar article somewhere else in cyberspace. Or just admit humble ignorance. -LtNOWIS 01:53, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Gamaliel 02:05, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Delete for reasons already stated. - Lucky 6.9 23:43, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. May not be the greatest article in its present form, but I (having never seen either series) thought they were basically the same thing, and found an article pointing out that this was not the case useful. -- pne 10:54, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. ComCat 08:41, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Keep and allow for organic growth. GRider\talk 17:13, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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